Discussion about this post

User's avatar
j t's avatar
Apr 7Edited

Nice, RT. I can relate to everything you said as a 72 yr old father and grandfather and spiritual father. God is sovereign and His Creation endures as does every one of His promises. He is faithful. But there is purpose to our lives beyond "putting out fires" and taking out the trash, etc, and then finally dying.

So let me say a word about one thing you say -- "𝘞𝘪𝘭𝘭𝘪𝘯𝘨𝘭𝘺 𝘰𝘳 𝘯𝘰𝘵, 𝘸𝘦 𝘸𝘪𝘭𝘭 𝘥𝘪𝘴𝘤𝘰𝘷𝘦𝘳 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘭𝘪𝘧𝘦 𝘪𝘴 𝘢𝘣𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘴𝘰 𝘮𝘶𝘤𝘩 𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘦; 𝙞𝙩'𝙨 𝙣𝙤𝙩 𝙖𝙗𝙤𝙪𝙩 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙣𝙤𝙬, 𝙗𝙪𝙩 𝙖𝙗𝙤𝙪𝙩 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙛𝙤𝙧𝙚𝙫𝙚𝙧." Yes it is also about the Now!!

But that is what "the church" and its theologians have been preaching for centuries -- that it's essentially all about the Hereafter and not the Now. But is that really the case? Are we born and then saved, those of us that belong to Him, simply to wait for "forever" to come? Ie, is being saved simply coming to know Christ and His salvation and then patiently waiting for death so we can finally reach "forever" ... and then inviting others to come wait with us? ... until they, too, can finally die and go to "forever"... ie, go to Heaven and not Hell?

To me that is a Gospel of Death, not of Life. I think that philosophy, that interpretation of Scripture has led MANY young Christians to leave "the church" to try to find some other explanation for why they're here. It's why I left ... well, my heart left, even though I continued for most of the time I was away to go to church on Sundays, as a sort of duty, a "connection" of sorts w/something I knew was at least partially true, but that made little sense to me.

What am I saying? I'm not trying to be obtuse, but most I try to talk to about about these things look at me as though I'm nuts, or heretical, or simply focused on non-pertinent stuff, at least stuff they're not interesting in hearing or thinking about. I've heard preachers say those same words in a sermon -- essentially "so then, what do we do after we've been saved? We have to be patient" ... meaning, we have to wait until we die to experience the "forever" plans God has for us -- Heaven.

But that doesn't explain why we stay here on this earth after we're saved, beyond "evangelizing" others and being "good persons." But what really is the "Evangel" ... the "Good News." In Luke 9.6, when Jesus sent out His disciples, we are told that "...they set out and went from village to village, 𝘱𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘎𝘰𝘴𝘱𝘦𝘭 and healing people everywhere." But looking back at v.2 we read "and He sent them out to 𝗽𝗿𝗲𝗮𝗰𝗵 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗸𝗶𝗻𝗴𝗱𝗼𝗺 𝗼𝗳 𝗚𝗼𝗱 and to heal the sick." So "preaching the Gospel" is equivalent to "preaching the kingdom of God."

What kingdom? His Kingdom! The Kingdom of God and of His Christ. The Kingdom of the Lord Jesus! He ascended to the throne, received all authority in Heaven and on Earth (Mt28.18; Dn7.13-14,27; Rev5). He reigns and will continue to reign until the end, until He has put all enemies under His feet, with death being the final enemy to be destroyed.

And more, we who belong to Him reign with Him "on the earth" (Rev 5.10 [see also Dn7.18,27]) -- "You have made them to be a kingdom and priests (or, kingdom of priests) to serve our God, 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝘆 𝘄𝗶𝗹𝗹 𝗿𝗲𝗶𝗴𝗻 𝗼𝗻 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗲𝗮𝗿𝘁𝗵." Doing what? The disciples understood it partially, only they had been trained by the jewish teachers of their time to think that it only had to do with their fellows jews -- Acts1.6 -- "So when they met together, they asked him, "Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?"

They knew that now came the Reign of the Messiah, the Kingdom of Christ, of the Lord Jesus, as Jesus had spent nearly 40 days with them after His Resurrection speaking to them "about the Kingdom of God." What about it? That the plan of His reign at the right hand of God was what the prophets had been foretelling for centuries -- the coming of the Kingdom of the Messiah would bring the "restoration of all things" (Acts3.21), the "regeneration"/"rebirth" of this world (Mt19.27-28, cf Lk22.28-30).

We His people, the true church/ekklesia, rule with Him, as His body, on this earth for the purpose of restoring this world to what it should have always been, to what our Creator God intended it to be. See Rom8.18-22.

And there is so much more, but this has already gotten long. The point again is that YES, we have Much we need to be doing in the here and NOW to fulfill His promises, prophesied from of old, to restore all things. I'm not simply waiting to die. I know that He has works planned for me and that I will fulfill every last one of them, by His Spirit, before I leave (Eph2.10).

And btw, we who are His NEVER die (cf, John5.24; 11.25-26)... only our bodies, to which God condemned our sinful nature (Ro8.2-3). That must wither and die and stay on this earth, but we, new creations in Christ, simply pass fully into His presence like falling asleep and awakening with Him. Death has absolutely NO authority or hold on us. Those who have been brought to life from our spiritual death have no reason to worry about or fear the second [physical] death.

Expand full comment
Rose's avatar

What beautiful and profound thoughts on your earthly journey through life! Your husband and children are so blessed to have you in their lives~

Expand full comment
3 more comments...

No posts